{"id":10596,"date":"2018-01-22T18:03:10","date_gmt":"2018-01-22T23:03:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/online.berklee.edu\/takenote\/takenote\/?p=10596"},"modified":"2025-10-23T13:46:35","modified_gmt":"2025-10-23T18:46:35","slug":"the-war-on-drugs-drummer-charlie-hall-on-facilitating-the-vision-of-adam-granduciel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/online.berklee.edu\/takenote\/the-war-on-drugs-drummer-charlie-hall-on-facilitating-the-vision-of-adam-granduciel\/","title":{"rendered":"The War on Drugs Drummer Charlie Hall on Facilitating Adam Granduciel\u2019s Vision"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-charlie-hall-breaks-down-under-the-pressure-and-the-war-on-drugs-ethos\" style=\"text-transform:none;\">Charlie Hall Breaks Down &lsquo;Under the Pressure&rsquo; and Why Restraint Is So Important When Drumming for The War on Drugs<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none;\" title=\"Libsyn Player\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/6177497\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/forward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/87A93A\/\" width=\"100%\" height=\"90\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>The War on Drugs won the Best Rock Album Grammy for their 2017 effort, \u201cA Deeper Understanding.\u201d In this edition of the Music Is My Life podcast, which took place right before the Grammy Awards, Charlie Hall, the drummer for The War on Drugs sizes up the Grammy competition\u2014Mastodon, Nothing More, Metallica, and Queens of the Stone Age\u2014and says of the other artists in the category, \u201cIt\u2019s a very different vibe. I\u2019m glad we\u2019re recognized as a rock band, to be honest.\u201d \u201cMuch respect, especially to John Theodore,\u201d Hall says, singling out the Queens drummer.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Hall also discusses the value of working in the service industry, how having an encouraging teacher meant so much to him, and the evolving ethos of The War on Drugs and Kurt Vile, in addition to his side unique men&#8217;s choir project, the Silver Ages (see below), which also features members of Dr. Dog, mewithoutyou, Teen Men, The Spinto Band, Windsor For The Derby, Nightlands, and other Philly bands.<\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Silver Ages perform &quot;Autumn Leaves&quot; at the Philadelphia Ethical Society 2014\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/qLMBw_yEzEk?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall: <\/strong>My earliest memories would probably be <em>Sgt. Pepper<\/em>. My brother and sister are nine and eleven years older than me, so from a very, very early age there was music being listened to in the house, rock music . . . and my parents are a little older so it wasn\u2019t coming from them, although they\u2019re both music fans, but my father was very much just like . . . he listened to pretty much Beethoven only, you know? There was no . . . neither of my parents were of a popular music generation. But my brother and sister . . . my brother was listening to The Who and The Stones and Zeppelin and stuff like that, so that\u2019s . . . I remember now, my sister had a 45 of \u201cWe Will Rock You.\u201d I knew it was music, but it also sounded like something else too, you know? \u2018Cause of the percussive elements, like, \u201care these people all banging on . . . what is that? It\u2019s not drums.\u201d I remember just feeling like the sound is so foreign to me. And then my sister was listening to The Cars and I loved how much that sounded like something that was sort of from outer space, just as an impressionable five-year-old, or whatever. I think that stuff kind of hit me, so those are some of my earliest memories and then it was really all about like a few records, like it was about the Rolling Stones <em>Hot Rocks<\/em>, that was like \u201cHonky-Tonk Women,\u201d that was when I realized, \u201cI think I want to play drums.\u201d Like listening to that song with that cowbell intro and that\u2019s sort of how it really started. My grandmother gave me like a <em>Muppet Show<\/em> toy drum set, I think when I was about four, and I\u2019d add on to it with pots and pans and try to make little extra toms for it and expand it and then I got a real drum set, I think when I was about six for Christmas. So that\u2019s when it all started.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>It\u2019s interesting, you and I have a bit more in common than just the whiskey sours [<em>Ed note: You\u2019ll have to listen to the intro for context, but basically both the interviewer and the interviewee received the same whiskey sour recipes handed down through their fathers<\/em>], because my siblings are nine and ten years older than I am and all the groups you mentioned were pretty much what they were listening to, especially The Cars. Now tell me, with your siblings, mine were loose guides to me for music but then my interest eclipsed their interest in music by the time I became like ten or twelve, but were your siblings still acting as guides for you? Or did your interests outweigh theirs?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:<\/strong>Well, yeah my brother was and always has been very much a guide for me like that. As he grew out of his middle school classic rock phase, he grew into a very heavy Talking Heads\/R.E.M. sort of thing and you know, this was the days of like WLIR . . . so, my brother and I moved away with my mom to Connecticut, and so we were kind of huddled up a lot, because of that. He was maybe 14, and I\u2019d have been five or six and I think because of that, because of those circumstances, we definitely bonded together and yeah, I definitely, whatever his records were, I was always stealing them and listening to them and I remember this very, sort of, defining moment where I started to branch off into my own . . . By the time I was nine or ten, it wasn\u2019t all just his stuff, like I started to get really interested in U2 and that was kind of like my thing, you know? Rather than his thing, and then same with Pink Floyd and the Grateful Dead, those were both things that he wasn\u2019t really as interested in and so those sort of became like my things. I always sought his approval on everything but I definitely remember when my interest really veered towards those things, those three bands particularly, Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, U2, that I was like stepping out on our shared interests.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Right. I remember I had a similar thing, my brother came home from college and he found, like, my Sex Pistols record and my Cure <em>Standing on a Beach<\/em> record, and he was like, \u201cSid Vicious is a loser!\u201d He was disappointed but also, it was one of those things where I was like, \u201cThis is my thing!\u201d You know?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>What were your brother\u2019s pantheon of bands?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Well, he brought home from college that first year, R.E.M. <em>Murmur<\/em>, and U2 <em>Boy<\/em>, and I was already pretty headlong into U2, but you know, when you had to buy the stuff, like you couldn\u2019t just stream it. It took more resources that I didn\u2019t have, so that was great! But I think he was just kind of unnerved by the fact that I was getting into things without his gateway.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>I know. I can totally relate to that. I think, probably, my brother felt sort of the same way, like he was very much like my father figure, in a way, even though, like, he\u2019s also my brother. You know, and so, yeah, I think he was kind of like, \u201cNo, no, no.\u201d I totally remember bringing home that <em>Delicate Sound of Thunder (Live) <\/em>Pink Floyd record, you know? He\u2019s like, \u201cWhat is this, man? It\u2019s not even, like, really Pink Floyd,\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cYes it is!\u201d You know?! Plus, I was like 12 or however old I was, 13, and I totally remember his disapproval. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>So, you find your own interest and you find your own voice, and had you been playing with any family members or who were you playing with?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>No, no one in my family really played an instrument but I was fortunate that we had a piano in the house and I had drums, and my brother had a guitar. He had an acoustic guitar under his bed that he played for a little bit but didn\u2019t really stick with it, so there was also a guitar in the house. . . . Honestly, my musical training was just teaching myself how to play these things, listening to his records and my records, just learning . . . I learned guitar mostly by listening to Led Zeppelin records and figuring out chords. I bought a chord book and just kind of pieced it together. Same with piano, I took a couple lessons when I was seven or eight and didn\u2019t stick with it because I just didn\u2019t have the discipline or patience or whatever, but I\u2019ve always been really interested in chords and harmony, that kind of thing. So I just kind of taught myself, same thing, like sort of once I figured out the basics of scales and chord structures, I just kind of pieced it together myself, which is why I\u2019m a total hack.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>When was the first time you started playing with other people?<br><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>So I went to the school for . . . I went to the same school for 13 years. It was kindergarten through [grade] 12, so one byproduct of that was I was around older kids . . . like, there was access to older kids, so when I was in fourth or fifth grade, I was the only kid that played drums, really, in the school and so I got to play with high schoolers because they needed a drummer and I was this little monkey kid who could keep a beat or whatever. So I got . . . there was this thing every year, there was a, like a variety show, like a talent show. And so, I feel like that was like one of the things that really framed my years. It was like, \u201cwhat band am I going to put together for this thing?\u201d It was like the big show every year. . . . Starting in probably about fifth grade, was the first year where it wasn\u2019t like a lip sync thing, where I was actually, like, putting together bands and learning three songs and playing for this variety show and the guy, Mr. Denise, he was like the dean of students so it was like his big show and he just was always so supportive, like every year, all the way through high school he was just like, he really just kind of like \u201cWhat\u2019s it going to be this year?\u201d His tagline was \u201cBoom!\u201d He\u2019d be like, \u201cBoom, Charlie Hall! What\u2019s it going to be this year?\u201d He was just like . . . just always really encouraging me in terms of playing music and that kind of thing. That was a big, formative, kind of annual thing for me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>That\u2019s great. Does he know how influential he was?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>You know, as I was just saying, I was like, \u201cMan, I\u2019ve got to reach out to him,\u201d I mean, I think he does but just like anything, I should remind him. I\u2019m sure he knows, I mean he\u2019s like a really special, amazing person, and I think he was probably really influential for a lot of people in a lot of different respects but yeah, I\u2019m going to . . . when we finish this up, I\u2019m going to figure out how to reach out to him. He\u2019s not at the school anymore but he\u2019s definitely around and I\u2019ll find him. He\u2019s a pretty amazing guy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>That\u2019s great. Do you remember the first three songs you did? Or the first songs you did with the group?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Yeah!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>\u201cSunday Bloody Sunday\u201d?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Oh, dude you have no idea. We had \u201cSunday Bloody Sunday,\u201d in the back pocket but what we actually did for the show, we were called Exit 18, \u2018cause that was the exit off of I-95 to get to the school, we did \u201cMessage in a Bottle\u201d [by The Police] and we did \u201cBad\u201d by U2. We had \u201cSunday Bloody Sunday\u201d in the back pocket, but we did \u201cBad,\u201d \u2018cause the guitar player had a delay pedal, he figured out how to do that Edge stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Wow, I was going to say, that\u2019s high tech for that age, the delay pedal!<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Yeah, I mean those guys were probably like eighth grade, I was in fifth grade, those guys were like eighth graders. They were a little . . . we had Tobey Dawson on a Juno 106. I mean, looking back on it, it was a pretty sweet little lineup with some sweet gear, which I\u2019m sure nobody has anymore, but you know, we had a guy playing a Juno, Anthony D\u2019Alto on bass, Tim Hoshner on second keyboards.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>So these are the formative years and when do you realize that this is something more than just, I mean . . . well, I guess, on some level, you have must realized it because [this talent show] was a thing you looked forward to all year.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Yeah, and I mean, I just always, like, when I\u2019d come home from school, I\u2019d just play music until my stepfather came home. I mean, I\u2019d get home from school and I\u2019d put on headphones and I\u2019d play along with album sides for hours. Until, like, 7:00, you know? Like, my mom always encouraged me to do that and my brother always encouraged me. I mean, our house was, like, 200 years old, our house was made out of, like, plywood. I mean, you could hear . . . it was louder than you could possibly imagine, but my family was so encouraging and endured what sounded amazing in my ears (\u2018cause I had headphones on, listening to, you know, <em>Zeppelin IV<\/em>, thinking that I was, you know, John Bonham) but I\u2019m sure it sounded like holy hell in the house, you know? So I guess it was always a thing, I just . . . I didn\u2019t know, like, what shape music would take in my professional life, but I think I probably always knew since I was, you know, three or four years old that music was going to be the guiding force in my life. I went to college and I did study music. I studied music history and music theory, I wasn\u2019t like a performance major or anything like that. My dream job, actually, was always sort of like . . . I loved school as a kid. I loved the rhythm of the school year and I had a really great experience, like I loved my friends and my teachers, so I think I always kind of wanted . . . like my dream job was to teach music in a school in some capacity, you know? Not necessarily being a band leader or being the choir director but, you know, teaching music theory and stuff like that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Where\u2019d you go to school?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>I went to school in Virginia, in Williamsburg, called William and Mary. Again, following my brother, \u2018cause my brother went there.<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Wow. Another thing! I followed my brother to the college he went to too.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;<\/strong>You did not!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Yeah, it was the worst mistake I ever made. [<em>Ed note: Since this is Charlie Hall\u2019s story, liberal edits were made in trimming details out of the interviewer\u2019s anecdote.<\/em>] Okay, so you\u2019re at William and Mary and are you playing in bands there?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Yeah, playing in bands, you know, not like the college band but like just playing in bands, playing in rock bands and stuff like that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>What kind of stuff are you guys doing? What are the names? I always like to hear the names of people\u2019s first bands.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Oh, God. Oh, embarrassing names, you know what I mean? Like jam band names, like I don\u2019t even . . . actually, I think I\u2019ve like blocked them out. . . . They\u2019re probably in there somewhere but, you know, probably something like, \u201cThe (Something-Something) Project,\u201d or like, you know, \u201cSo-And-So\u2019s\u2026,\u201d you know, whatever, just insert idiotic string of names here and you\u2019re probably in the ballpark, you know? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Playing like . . . yeah, kind of . . . I mean, I was really interested in jazz but, you know, also like a classic rock kid. So sort of a logical extension of that at that time and in the late \u201880s, early \u201890s was like . . . had this stuff that came out of the blender, sounding like, you know, jammy noodle fest!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Were you always the drummer?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>No, sometimes I . . . I played a lot of guitar, so starting around age eight or nine, I got myself to the point where I could play the guitar pretty well. I peaked early at all the stuff, you know what I mean? Like, what I do now I\u2019ve been doing since I was, like, 12! Yeah, sometimes guitar, you know, [and I] got into playing more and more keyboards like after college when I was in San Francisco and I bought a Wurlitzer, [and I became] the guy with a Wurlitzer, and was like able to kind of play with a bunch of people who needed that flavor and, [I was] literate enough to sort of fake my way through most scenarios.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>That seems to be the lesson so far: be the guy with the instrument that nobody else is doing.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Great advice for your students. Take up the English horn!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>So you moved to San Fran after college and . . .<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Yeah, my wife and I lived out there, kind of the summer after college we worked for a couple months to make enough money to get out there and pay first month\u2019s rent and we planted our roots out there and they got pretty deep, you know? And we made the really hard decision to leave there after about eight years, when it was kind of like we\u2019re either there forever\u2014\u2018cause we loved it and our extended family was getting really deep out there\u2014but you know, our real family is all back East and our parents were older, and so we moved to Philly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>What was the first song you guys danced to at your wedding?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;<\/strong>Good question. I had some friends of mine assemble a band. They played \u201cHold On\u201d by Tom Waits, off of <em>Mule Variations. <\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>So, back to San Fran for a little bit, you\u2019re playing there and are you doing that to make a living?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Yeah, I was playing at night, teaching during the day, so it was a lot of, like . . . when I was in San Francisco, it was mostly playing either straight ahead jazz gigs and sort of trio, quartet, quintet form, or, after a while, for a few years,I put together this sort of bigger band that was doing, like, <em>Bitches Brew<\/em>-era, Miles [Davis] tunes, you know? Like everything from like <em>In a Silent Way<\/em> through <em>Agharta<\/em>, just . . . loosely exploring those figures, which would be like, I mean, you know, the head would be like an eight-bar phrase or something, unless those tunes were actually defined by, like, certain rhythms, you know? As much as they were defined by any sort of changes. I mean, most of them didn\u2019t even really have changes, they were just, you know, modal things that . . . so that was really . . . that\u2019s probably one of the most formative, that particular project was . . . I joke about not having improved since I was ten years old, but that was actually the first time that I really broke through to another level in terms of my playing and my understanding of harmony but also just playing drums.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>When you were teaching, what grade level were you teaching?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>It was a high school, very similar to the one I went to, so it was one of these schools where I got to do a lot of different things, which was really cool. They really trusted me with different projects and I worked in the college counseling office, I was a college counselor. This is crazy, but I was the ninth and tenth grade dean of students for a year, which was another really great experience, and I was teaching the jazz band and taught ninth grade history. So I wore a lot of different hats there. That was another real defining experience for me in my life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I mean, as it relates to everything, you know? Being in a band and, so was\u2014for that matter\u2014bussing tables when I first moved to San Francisco, I mean I learned as much bussing tables that has kind of prepared me for this life as any music teacher I\u2019ve ever had. Just \u2018cause it\u2019s about everything. It\u2019s about being in a band, it\u2019s about how you relate to other people and all the different things that go into this whole process, making sense of everything and putting things in order and kind of keeping different irons on the fire. I think everybody should work in a restaurant at some point in their life. I think that if you ever think that you don\u2019t have anything to learn, it\u2019s all over. I mean, I\u2019m going to be learning, hopefully for the rest of my life. I mean, that\u2019s one of the things that I\u2019m learning . . . you learn every day. . . . I was actually talking about this with the guys in the band that are opening for us on this tour who are dear, dear friends, they were watching our soundcheck and . . . they were really inspired by the fact that we were picking apart a song that we\u2019ve played hundreds\u2014literally, hundreds!\u2014 of times, like a song we\u2019ve probably played, like, 400 times in the last couple years. But for some reason, whatever reason, we were picking it apart yesterday, trying to crack open something new in this one part, and those guys were . . . I guess it ended up being sort of inspiring to them to watch us sort of going through that. So yeah, it didn\u2019t really occur to me that it was anything special or unique but, you know, it really sort of made an impression on them to see us doing that. I thought it was cool.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>What tune was it?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>\u201cUnder the Pressure,\u201d which has kind of become like a, you know, it\u2019s definitely a \u201cmoment\u201d in the set. I think that\u2019s a song that we\u2019ll probably play for a long time because\u2014in addition to just being incredibly fun to play\u2014it\u2019s sort of one of the tunes where things just open up and something new happens every day. And, you know, some songs are very, you know, everything is highly composed and some songs kind of have moments that reveal themselves the more you play them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Right. What\u2019s the name of the opening band?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>They\u2019re called Lo Moon. Matt Lowell was . . . he\u2019s the leader of that gang and they\u2019re an amazing band. Matt\u2019s a Berklee alum! And yeah, he was supposed to be a hockey player and he went to one of these schools . . . up in New Hampshire or whatever, where you play ice hockey and that was his whole trip and he had this moment where he had an epiphany of sorts and he told his coach he was going to Berklee.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>That\u2019s pretty funny!<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Those guys are incredible. Their record is going to be out in February on Columbia and yeah, they have a couple, there\u2019s a couple singles out that you can check out. They\u2019re really pretty special, special gang.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>So, in San Francisco, is that where you met Adam [Granduciel, leader of The War on Drugs]? \u2018Cause he had a stint out there too, right?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Yeah, [he was living there, but] no [we didn\u2019t meet then]. It\u2019s funny, we had strangely parallel migrations. He was in Oakland for a bit. I didn\u2019t know him there, but we both got to San Francisco and we both got to Philadelphia in 2003 and met shortly thereafter. I was playing in some bands and so was he and we used to just see each other on the scene, at the Khyber, that\u2019s where everyone used to play. And then that was when he really started putting together this thing that is The War on Drugs. So it all kind of started to come together and a couple of years after, we both got to Philly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Yeah, so when that\u2019s coming together, you moved to Philly just to move back East to be near the family . . .<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Yeah, to be closer to family, close but not too close, you know? My brother lived in Philly, so I was just following him around again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>So, what are you doing for work at that point?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>So, at that point, I\u2019m touring more. So, I figured out a way to sort of stay in . . . I always loved having it both ways, you know what I mean? Like, that was like, that was my thing, like I loved . . . I think that really, like, my appreciation for music just continued to grow because I, like, had the job that, you know, kept me around the school but I also had the music thing and so I figured out a way, when I moved to Philly, that I could keep touring, which I started doing towards the end of my time in San Francisco, playing with a guy named Tommy Guerrero. We used to go to Japan a lot and do stuff, so I was working and when I moved to Philly, at Big Brothers Big Sisters, like in school-based programming, so I was like directing mentoring programs in schools. But I didn\u2019t have a classroom that I had to be in every day, so I could kind of come and go; if I needed to be away for a month for a tour, they were so supportive of me and sort of allowed me to have this scenario where I could come back and still have my job. I\u2019m really, really so grateful for that, that time in my life, and also just for that experience.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>That\u2019s great. And so, you befriended Adam and [I\u2019m guessing you\u2019d befriended] Kurt [Vile] probably by this point and it\u2019s interesting [to me because] I love stories where the origins of a band have more than one central character and they go off and do different things, and [what I\u2019m getting at is] did you always know [Kurt would break off from The War on Drugs], was it like a loose affiliation and you always knew Kurt was going to go do his own thing? Or . . . and, I mean, you went and did your own thing, too.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>Yeah, I mean, Kurt always had his own thing, you know? And Adam always had his own thing. It\u2019s just (understandably) kind of hard for people to wrap their heads around it because, you know, it\u2019s like, at the core, it was like The War on Drugs was Adam and Kurt, and Kurt Vile [and the Violators] was Kurt and Adam.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Right.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>You know? That\u2019s confusing!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Yeah.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Charlie Hall:&nbsp;\ufeff<\/strong>And you know, Dave [Hartley] was around from the very early days, partly. But yeah, it was like, you know, and then, you know, when Mike Zanghi was playing drums, he was Kurt\u2019s drummer and he was also the Drugs\u2019 drummer, you know? 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